Huntspill wind farm petition goes to Parliament (From Bridgwater Mercury)

Firstly, describing this as a 'giant' wind farm might be stretching the truth slightly. There are a maximum of 14 proposed turbines on two sites. Also, 200 signatures hardly represents a majority from a population of approximately 10,000 residents. Talk about sensationalising!

no to wind farms....no to nuclear power...... i guess we better go back to living in the dark ages.

KitCat2704 wrote:
no to wind farms....no to nuclear power...... i guess we better go back to living in the dark ages.

Maybe kitkat ,if you are worried about going back to thoses times, you could call EDF and ask them to put it all right outside your house?
I live in Woolavington and we live in unspoilt countryside,now we have proposed wind farms and huge pylons threatning to by pass our houses.
I am ordering a hard hat to sit in my garden, also i may have to plant a 60 ft high hedge to block it all out but,--- i will probably need planning for that,so i may ask EDF to push it through---it may upset the neighbours - but what the hell eh??

So if you dont want wind power or nuclear power, how do you propose we make electricity? Hinkley Point B can only operate for a few more years so i guess you'll be happier sitting in the dark with no power than to see Hinkley C station built.
Unfortunatly there will never be a solution to keep everyone happy.

so where can they put them,seems to me like its a case of"as long as it aint near my house i dont care"what about all the people that live near hinkley point power station we all have to make sacrifices im afraid!stop your whining itl happen anyway!

One might also argue that Woolavington is a blot on an otherwise unspoiled landscape....

twinkles wrote:
One might also argue that Woolavington is a blot on an otherwise unspoiled landscape....

I suppose it must be all very easy to come out with --O well nimby comments -- when it`s not passing by your window.
Maybe if it was, you would be concerned as well?
NO? Well maybe you would feel quite at home living in a industrial enviroment?
Maybe you already do, so you are wondering what i`m whinning about?
Then if you do not take any sort of pride or interest where you live, then let us make our satement the only way we can.
At least we are not taking it lying down and making our point of view heard.
Woolavington a blot? Really twinkles ,if you can`t come along with something a little more constructive???
After all it is just a village/town like any other, or are they all blots?
After all villages are nessasary to house people and have been around for 100`s years--- Shall we all live under ground ,oh, with wind farms proudly grinding away over head?

joner7788 wrote:
After all it is just a village/town like any other, or are they all blots?

Frankly, yes they are!!

Myself, I embrace change and any new methods of creating energy. I personally think wind power from turbines is a load of tosh in this country, the devices themselves require more energy in construction than they give back within their usable life.
However, that's not my point. Just saying they are a blot on the landscape is a load of twaddle. Everything us Humans do is a blot on the landscape, and as we evolve, you and every other living organism on the planet HAS to accept some degree of change.

twinkles wrote:
joner7788 wrote: After all it is just a village/town like any other, or are they all blots? Frankly, yes they are!! Myself, I embrace change and any new methods of creating energy. I personally think wind power from turbines is a load of tosh in this country, the devices themselves require more energy in construction than they give back within their usable life. However, that's not my point. Just saying they are a blot on the landscape is a load of twaddle. Everything us Humans do is a blot on the landscape, and as we evolve, you and every other living organism on the planet HAS to accept some degree of change.

If i HAVE to accept a degree of change , i don`t mind at all but maybe you would like to join in this share of change and call EDF and ask them to place pylons and a wind farm right outside your house?
Am i right in thinking then ,that we few are to be sacrificed for the many?
If you could imagine pylons and turbines outside your house maybe you would not be typing words of evouloution but words of -Not In My Back Yard?
If it ever does get passed and is up and running maybe you would like to sit in my lounge and then think ,mmmm- he did have a point?

i totally agree with you twinkles and v1234 - like i said in my last comment, you cannot keep everyone happy.
joner7788 - i see my question of how you propose we generate electricity if you do not want wind or nuclear power has gone unanswered, my guess is you do not have an answer?
If you feel that strongly about it, perhaps you should get a solar panel fitted to your house if you haven't done so already. After all, you wouldn't want to be supporting EDF by paying them for their product as any electricity you are currently receiving will most definitely be being produced at Hinkley Point.
You cant have your cake and eat too, as they say!

KitCat2704 wrote:
i totally agree with you twinkles and v1234 - like i said in my last comment, you cannot keep everyone happy. joner7788 - i see my question of how you propose we generate electricity if you do not want wind or nuclear power has gone unanswered, my guess is you do not have an answer? If you feel that strongly about it, perhaps you should get a solar panel fitted to your house if you haven't done so already. After all, you wouldn't want to be supporting EDF by paying them for their product as any electricity you are currently receiving will most definitely be being produced at Hinkley Point. You cant have your cake and eat too, as they say!

well said!!!

I can see 3 pylons , a motorway and a railway from my window.

v1234 wrote:

KitCat2704 wrote: i totally agree with you twinkles and v1234 - like i said in my last comment, you cannot keep everyone happy. joner7788 - i see my question of how you propose we generate electricity if you do not want wind or nuclear power has gone unanswered, my guess is you do not have an answer? If you feel that strongly about it, perhaps you should get a solar panel fitted to your house if you haven't done so already. After all, you wouldn't want to be supporting EDF by paying them for their product as any electricity you are currently receiving will most definitely be being produced at Hinkley Point. You cant have your cake and eat too, as they say!

well said!!!

As i have asked in a previous quote and no one seems to answer ---- Would YOU want this outside your windows?
As for placing turbines, put them up on exmoor where no one lives only sheep but maybe we don`t want to upset wildlife, just people?
Why put them on virgin ground where 100`s of people have to look at these eyesores for years to come.
As for hinkley point, well that has been there since the 60`s so any one that lives there was their choice as 90% would have bought a house there in the last 50 years,so expand that area,after all they did choose to live in a elecrtical generating area ,i did NOT!
I use electicity like most, but i don`t want to stare for the next 30 years at a industial area to see where it comes from.
I have to pay EDF which is French owned because i have no option, a solar panel would not generate enough.

But if myself and others have a opinion and a say of where they
place these things,it seems strange to me that there always are people willing to shout down the one`s who have a opinion about what they do or don`t want on their door step?
But no one ever answers --- Would YOU want this on your door step? Yes---No??
And if it did appear , would you roll over like sheep and let them walk all over you?

It is so easy to say when it`s someone elses problem -- oh stop whinning--- well i won`t !

Coming from Cannington, where we have just won a significant battle against EDF, I would far rather be living with a windfarm than the incredible disruption the colossal white elephant Hinkley C would necessitate. Not to mention the unanswered safety and waste storage questions. But why does everyone concentrate on the supply side of this matter, without even looking at the demand side? We have to start taking energy efficiency seriously, and managing our energy demands. Do we really want to mortgage our future for the sake of powering silly gadgets, heating the outside and over-cooling public buildings (just some of the unnecessary things we currently do which spring to mind)?
Jonathan Porritt put these matters far more eruditely than I could; here's a link to the talk he gave earlier in the year:
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=-RlacFBIl
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joner7788 - i am not "shouting down" your opinion but you obviously have no vision for future generations and only think of the present and your own selfish interests for not having these wind turbines or pylons built. You either have more nuclear plant build, more fuel being bought from other countries and your bills going up and pollution increasing.....or renewable energy.
Unless your willing to lose all your toys, mods and home appliances and not use electricity, i suggest you deal with it, its the 21st century now.
And to answer your question - no i would not mind wind farms being built near my house. They are clean, very quiet and may well serve future generations long after im gone. Its not all about me and what i want.

KitCat2704 wrote:
joner7788 - i am not "shouting down" your opinion but you obviously have no vision for future generations and only think of the present and your own selfish interests for not having these wind turbines or pylons built. You either have more nuclear plant build, more fuel being bought from other countries and your bills going up and pollution increasing.....or renewable energy. Unless your willing to lose all your toys, mods and home appliances and not use electricity, i suggest you deal with it, its the 21st century now. And to answer your question - no i would not mind wind farms being built near my house. They are clean, very quiet and may well serve future generations long after im gone. Its not all about me and what i want.

If you do not mind a wind farm by your house ,how about proposing EDF to look at your area!
You do realize we will still need coal ,nuclear,gas as the wind hardly blows on the moors, maybe there`s alot of wind where you live?!
Exmoor! ! That`s windy too!


As for the future as somertel says--
save more,-

Maybe if we all had a large in view meter on a wall with how our £ `s are clicking away second after second, we would all be running around, turning everything off , to slow it down?

Joner7788
I am fully aware that we still require other types of energy, that is not the point I’m making. Clearly you are too narrow minded to see the bigger picture here as you only seem to be able to repeat the same ridiculous thing - “call EDF”.
You say others are shouting down your opinion but you seem intent on doing the exact same thing to anyone who has a different view to you, so I will leave you to wallow in your self-righteous opinion.

Well done kit kat, You have brought it down to personal insults.
This usually happens when someone gets frustraited at not being able to admit that their own opinion is deemed to be incorrect!
I know what i do not want placed out side my house! That`s it!!
I will leave you to have the last word as this is probably what will give you some self satisfaction x

It is not a personal insult, it is the truth. It is not frustration that my opinion is deemed wrong, I do not mind that we are of different opinions, it is that I haven’t got the time to argue with someone who is unable to accept or even consider that other people may just have a different perspective on the subject.

It would seem that others readers on this link also share my opinion so I’m quite happy knowing that there are some level headed, sensible people out there so I do not wish to waste anymore of my time on this.


It would seem that others readers on this link also share my opinion so I’m quite happy knowing that there are some level headed, sensible people out there so I do not wish to waste anymore of my time on this.

Mystic Twinkles feels something in the tealeaves..... This thread will disappear in 3....2....1....

twinkles wrote:
Mystic Twinkles feels something in the tealeaves..... This thread will disappear in 3....2....1....

Well,
After all that and just before it disappears--
Looking in my tealeaves ---- I see 100`s of windmills streching away into the distance, then i wake up thinking, am i living in Holland?
No, it`s somerset!
I better have coffee next time!!

joner7788 wrote:

v1234 wrote:

KitCat2704 wrote: i totally agree with you twinkles and v1234 - like i said in my last comment, you cannot keep everyone happy. joner7788 - i see my question of how you propose we generate electricity if you do not want wind or nuclear power has gone unanswered, my guess is you do not have an answer? If you feel that strongly about it, perhaps you should get a solar panel fitted to your house if you haven't done so already. After all, you wouldn't want to be supporting EDF by paying them for their product as any electricity you are currently receiving will most definitely be being produced at Hinkley Point. You cant have your cake and eat too, as they say!

well said!!!

As i have asked in a previous quote and no one seems to answer ---- Would YOU want this outside your windows? As for placing turbines, put them up on exmoor where no one lives only sheep but maybe we don`t want to upset wildlife, just people? Why put them on virgin ground where 100`s of people have to look at these eyesores for years to come. As for hinkley point, well that has been there since the 60`s so any one that lives there was their choice as 90% would have bought a house there in the last 50 years,so expand that area,after all they did choose to live in a elecrtical generating area ,i did NOT! I use electicity like most, but i don`t want to stare for the next 30 years at a industial area to see where it comes from. I have to pay EDF which is French owned because i have no option, a solar panel would not generate enough. But if myself and others have a opinion and a say of where they place these things,it seems strange to me that there always are people willing to shout down the one`s who have a opinion about what they do or don`t want on their door step? But no one ever answers --- Would YOU want this on your door step? Yes---No?? And if it did appear , would you roll over like sheep and let them walk all over you? It is so easy to say when it`s someone elses problem -- oh stop whinning--- well i won`t !

Yes i would have these on my doorstep and in fact in my back garden, they are safer that nuclear, so Jonner, maybe that answers your question and if i were still living in Westonzoyland (i left two years ago), my answer would be the same.
You have to accept the world is changing, and we all have to change, if we like it or not. I would rather look at these turbines than some of the things ruining or countryside.

joner7788 wrote:

v1234 wrote:

KitCat2704 wrote: i totally agree with you twinkles and v1234 - like i said in my last comment, you cannot keep everyone happy. joner7788 - i see my question of how you propose we generate electricity if you do not want wind or nuclear power has gone unanswered, my guess is you do not have an answer? If you feel that strongly about it, perhaps you should get a solar panel fitted to your house if you haven't done so already. After all, you wouldn't want to be supporting EDF by paying them for their product as any electricity you are currently receiving will most definitely be being produced at Hinkley Point. You cant have your cake and eat too, as they say!

well said!!!

As i have asked in a previous quote and no one seems to answer ---- Would YOU want this outside your windows? As for placing turbines, put them up on exmoor where no one lives only sheep but maybe we don`t want to upset wildlife, just people? Why put them on virgin ground where 100`s of people have to look at these eyesores for years to come. As for hinkley point, well that has been there since the 60`s so any one that lives there was their choice as 90% would have bought a house there in the last 50 years,so expand that area,after all they did choose to live in a elecrtical generating area ,i did NOT! I use electicity like most, but i don`t want to stare for the next 30 years at a industial area to see where it comes from. I have to pay EDF which is French owned because i have no option, a solar panel would not generate enough. But if myself and others have a opinion and a say of where they place these things,it seems strange to me that there always are people willing to shout down the one`s who have a opinion about what they do or don`t want on their door step? But no one ever answers --- Would YOU want this on your door step? Yes---No?? And if it did appear , would you roll over like sheep and let them walk all over you? It is so easy to say when it`s someone elses problem -- oh stop whinning--- well i won`t !

You have to pay EDF which is French? What does the fact that it’s a French company have to do with anything? Seems a rather racial thing to add to what is supposed to be a discussion about spoiling your landscape view. Sounds more like a vendetta towards the company and the fact they are building without your approval rather than the actual effects. For a start, a wind farm emits around 40 Db (roughly) from a good few 100 meters, so unless you are sleeping on your rooftop and have super human hearing, sit in permanent silence, or, they are literally sticking them in your back garden, I doubt very much you would be disturbed by the noise (30Db would be something like a whisper) .As for the view, yeah ok but I think wind mills is better than chimneys or god knows what else and unless you spend 24 hours a day looking out your window (a tad too much free time?)I cant see how it would be a major issue. Besides chances are they will be taken down in favour for tidal power in a few years anyway and it’s not like they are a permanent feature they can be taken down. Oh and if this helps; it wouldn’t bother me having a wind farm on my doorstep, its not like my doorstep is 300 meters squared! Not quite on the doorstep by never mind, mounting, mole hill.I really dont see that "everybody" is trying to shut down your opinions or complaints against wind farms, i do however see a few out of many shutting down the development of renewable energy every time one is proposed...hell even the ones out at see where moaned about. Stop using electricity and we will listen to you seriously otherwise you will always be seen as a hypocrite

On-shore turbines are the worst kind of greenwash - they don't operate at anywhere near the efficiencies quoted but still make a nice bundle in grants and incentives for the installer/operator.
Off-shore is the way to go, they still industrialise the landscape but to a lesser extent and impact is lessened. Sadly, money speaks - not the environment.

As for the green issue] In my line of work ,i have used a certain product which took 40 years to perfect.
Then 4 years ago we had to use for enviromental puposes ,a green product.
This (green) product which costs 3 times as the original ,now takes 4 times more electricity to cure where as before it needed no electricity.Is this (green)?
The usa and europe still can use the original.
So,is this (green wind) turbine idea just another money spinning idea that will be deemed to be another goverment white elephant idea?
It just keeps a lot of green people in work i think.
Anyway, i don`t want some grant funded experiment out side my house!
You guys are welcome to them if you want them!
Then you can all look out of your windows and say to your friends,look what i`m doing for the enviroment,shame my house has halved in value and they don`t earn what they cost to build in energy, but hell,i`m green!
Maybe it seems i`m going to be a lone voice in the crowd here but us few around here may have to put up with these things, so you guys can sit back and see the turbines spinning in far distance feeling SO green.
Maybe there has been enough hot wind spouted about this subject that we could put a tubine outside every (green )persons house to run the U/K alone!