LiveSomerset Floods: Amber warning of rain with gusts of 80mph expected later

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  • 18 flood warnings, plus two severe flood warnings, in place in South-West
  • Torrential rain expected for much of Friday
  • Forecasters also predict strong winds and a possibility of sleet
  • Strong winds forecast for Friday night Saturday morning
  • Flooding closes North Curry Primary School today

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11:00am Fri 14 Feb 14

IMBY says...

I was trying to look for the weather forecast on the Bolshevik Broadcasting Collective's website when I noticed an article entitled "Dredging could 'make flooding worse'" by Matt McGrath. It claimed to cite a report by CIWEM, from which he concludes that dredging wouldn't have helped. I checked out the report and found that McGrath's conclusion "didn't quite match" the content. So I sent an email off to the BBC (if you look hard enough, you can find a way to get in touch with them). I don't expect them to correct it anytime soon, though.

"Further to your article concerning the CIWEM report on dredging. I notice that, upon reading the report, it states that

"It would be infeasible (sic) to dredge channels with the capacity to carry flood flows of the kind witnessed this winter (2013/14). However, there is significant evidence that dredging can increase channel conveyance, reducing water levels and small floods.

• This is borne out by studies of the Somerset Level and Moors system which suggest that the proposed dredge would have not prevented flooding but could significantly reduce the length of time water stands on the land."

The Somerset Levels always flood to some extent during the winter - the people who live there factor this into their lives. It is the extent and duration of the flood that really hurts, which is largely down to the inability of the undredged channels to perform their function and drain the land quickly. That is the issue. While it is laudable to think long-term about environmentally-soun
d solutions to the problem, it does nothing to deal with the issue at hand - to whit, the extent and duration of the current flooding and the lack of drainage management over decades which has compounded it. In short, when you are up to your waist in floodwater, the last thing on your mind is saving the planet. "
I was trying to look for the weather forecast on the Bolshevik Broadcasting Collective's website when I noticed an article entitled "Dredging could 'make flooding worse'" by Matt McGrath. It claimed to cite a report by CIWEM, from which he concludes that dredging wouldn't have helped. I checked out the report and found that McGrath's conclusion "didn't quite match" the content. So I sent an email off to the BBC (if you look hard enough, you can find a way to get in touch with them). I don't expect them to correct it anytime soon, though. "Further to your article concerning the CIWEM report on dredging. I notice that, upon reading the report, it states that "It would be infeasible (sic) to dredge channels with the capacity to carry flood flows of the kind witnessed this winter (2013/14). However, there is significant evidence that dredging can increase channel conveyance, reducing water levels and small floods. • This is borne out by studies of the Somerset Level and Moors system which suggest that the proposed dredge would have not prevented flooding but could significantly reduce the length of time water stands on the land." The Somerset Levels always flood to some extent during the winter - the people who live there factor this into their lives. It is the extent and duration of the flood that really hurts, which is largely down to the inability of the undredged channels to perform their function and drain the land quickly. That is the issue. While it is laudable to think long-term about environmentally-soun d solutions to the problem, it does nothing to deal with the issue at hand - to whit, the extent and duration of the current flooding and the lack of drainage management over decades which has compounded it. In short, when you are up to your waist in floodwater, the last thing on your mind is saving the planet. " IMBY
  • Score: 3

11:50am Fri 14 Feb 14

Blue Owl says...

The report I have in front of me , from the Environment Agency, states that in the Wake of the 2012 Flooding or the Levels, have shown the Capacity of the Tone from Hook Bridge Spillway to the Confluence, with the River Parrett, from the confluence @ North Moor Pumping Station, has been reduced to only around 65% of the Capacity, as designed in 1960 in the Tone Valley Scheme.
The Key Point is that the E A had accepted thatDredging and De-Silting was and would make a very great difference to flooding, duration and the impact on People and Farming,, agriculture and the environment. Not A Surprise !!
e agency Modelling on their Computors, demonstrate that restoring the Capacity to these two Rivers, length would to 85-90% of their 1960 Design
Would Significantly reduce the Duration and depth of Flooding, based on the 2012 Stats .
This information was Supplied Copy to me by a Member of the Drainage Board Consortium, Dated 26th February 2013 ..........Yes 1 Whole Year Ago, they knew this, after The Worst Flooding we Had seen in Somerset.!!!
Lord Smith seems unaware of this, factual evidence, or just chose to
"carry on Up the Swanee " with the No Dredging Policy......Unbeliev
able Buffoonery and incomprehensible foolishness .......He Has To Go Now, Go Now!!!
The report I have in front of me , from the Environment Agency, states that in the Wake of the 2012 Flooding or the Levels, have shown the Capacity of the Tone from Hook Bridge Spillway to the Confluence, with the River Parrett, from the confluence @ North Moor Pumping Station, has been reduced to only around 65% of the Capacity, as designed in 1960 in the Tone Valley Scheme. The Key Point is that the E A had accepted thatDredging and De-Silting was and would make a very great difference to flooding, duration and the impact on People and Farming,, agriculture and the environment. Not A Surprise !! e agency Modelling on their Computors, demonstrate that restoring the Capacity to these two Rivers, length would to 85-90% of their 1960 Design Would Significantly reduce the Duration and depth of Flooding, based on the 2012 Stats . This information was Supplied Copy to me by a Member of the Drainage Board Consortium, Dated 26th February 2013 ..........Yes 1 Whole Year Ago, they knew this, after The Worst Flooding we Had seen in Somerset.!!! Lord Smith seems unaware of this, factual evidence, or just chose to "carry on Up the Swanee " with the No Dredging Policy......Unbeliev able Buffoonery and incomprehensible foolishness .......He Has To Go Now, Go Now!!! Blue Owl
  • Score: -1

12:11pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Hollow Willow says...

The first response from an Environment Agency Spokesman from Bridgwater House when the call for dredging was put to him in early January was to state that Dredging would make matters worst. About a week later when Chris Smith was interviewed he modified this to dredging may have helped a little. The facts are that they chose to ignore all calls for dredging despite the obvious that not to dredge reduces the capacity of the Rivers.
The Moors have always acted as a water sump to protect the Levels close to Bridgwater and Burnham etc. and this has been accepted and managed for decades. However to flood the Moors to this extent whilst dismissing all calls for dredging is totally irresponsible and those who promoted the policy not to dredge should be removed from the solution.
The local drainage boards should be given the resources to once again manage the Somerset Levels and Moors.
The first response from an Environment Agency Spokesman from Bridgwater House when the call for dredging was put to him in early January was to state that Dredging would make matters worst. About a week later when Chris Smith was interviewed he modified this to dredging may have helped a little. The facts are that they chose to ignore all calls for dredging despite the obvious that not to dredge reduces the capacity of the Rivers. The Moors have always acted as a water sump to protect the Levels close to Bridgwater and Burnham etc. and this has been accepted and managed for decades. However to flood the Moors to this extent whilst dismissing all calls for dredging is totally irresponsible and those who promoted the policy not to dredge should be removed from the solution. The local drainage boards should be given the resources to once again manage the Somerset Levels and Moors. Hollow Willow
  • Score: 0

12:21pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Hollow Willow says...

Please publish the BBC email address IMBY, I gave now read McGrath's report and wish to complain.
Please publish the BBC email address IMBY, I gave now read McGrath's report and wish to complain. Hollow Willow
  • Score: -2

8:02pm Fri 14 Feb 14

LevelsDweller says...

how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts.

Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts.

Vote tory, get your feet wet
how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts. Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts. Vote tory, get your feet wet LevelsDweller
  • Score: 9

9:41pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Jamesey says...

LevelsDweller wrote:
how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts.

Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts.

Vote tory, get your feet wet
I also noticed that the responses above appeared to be the start of a Tory "love in"! Those posters, along with the majority of Politicians, are too eager to score points rather than deal with the real issues.

I commend the BBC on providing an article focussing on science rather than political rhetoric.

We need to listen to the Scientists and Engineers, not the politicians. The experts seem to agree that no amount of dredging would have prevented the recent flooding.
[quote][p][bold]LevelsDweller[/bold] wrote: how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts. Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts. Vote tory, get your feet wet[/p][/quote]I also noticed that the responses above appeared to be the start of a Tory "love in"! Those posters, along with the majority of Politicians, are too eager to score points rather than deal with the real issues. I commend the BBC on providing an article focussing on science rather than political rhetoric. We need to listen to the Scientists and Engineers, not the politicians. The experts seem to agree that no amount of dredging would have prevented the recent flooding. Jamesey
  • Score: 4

9:03am Sat 15 Feb 14

Blue Owl says...

Jamesey wrote:
LevelsDweller wrote:
how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts.

Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts.

Vote tory, get your feet wet
I also noticed that the responses above appeared to be the start of a Tory "love in"! Those posters, along with the majority of Politicians, are too eager to score points rather than deal with the real issues.

I commend the BBC on providing an article focussing on science rather than political rhetoric.

We need to listen to the Scientists and Engineers, not the politicians. The experts seem to agree that no amount of dredging would have prevented the recent flooding.
Jamesy, You pays your money, you believe the reports that best suit your political - Personal views.
I happen to take a more rounded approach, although of course I am a political Animal. as Former District Councillor, but that does teach you to, especially as a Planning Commitee Member to not Pre Judge, situations, but to evaluate all information supplied, coming to an informed decision, without bias.
The facts are, that the Environment Agency to Not Dredge, are the Main Cause of the Excessive Volumes of Rainwater, lying on the Moors, these Moors are Not the Designated Flood- Plains. The Salt ,Middle moor, the Hamlets of Muchelney, Moorland, Athelney, etc, have been Sacrificed by the E, Agency policies, BurrowBridge, was designated as to be Sacrificed to save Bridgwater..........

Whilst the Agency spent £ Millions making Wetland Bird Santuries, etc, £17.3
On Expenses, new Cars, Trips etc.......
It only needed to Spend £5 Million Dredging our River Parrett, as Bourne out by the Drainage Board Consortiums report, that on the 28th Feb 2013, after the 2012 Floods, reported to the Agency that dredging would take the 65% Capacity, up to the Post 1960 Capacity of 90-95% Thus increasing the Capacity volume of Water in the River Basin by 1/3 more, you do not need to be a Scientist to see the Sense in these figures........
Dredging alone is not the Answer, but, these Dutch Pumps must remain in place for the future, whatever the Cost of buying them.....
David L Preece
Blue- Owl
[quote][p][bold]Jamesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LevelsDweller[/bold] wrote: how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts. Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts. Vote tory, get your feet wet[/p][/quote]I also noticed that the responses above appeared to be the start of a Tory "love in"! Those posters, along with the majority of Politicians, are too eager to score points rather than deal with the real issues. I commend the BBC on providing an article focussing on science rather than political rhetoric. We need to listen to the Scientists and Engineers, not the politicians. The experts seem to agree that no amount of dredging would have prevented the recent flooding.[/p][/quote]Jamesy, You pays your money, you believe the reports that best suit your political - Personal views. I happen to take a more rounded approach, although of course I am a political Animal. as Former District Councillor, but that does teach you to, especially as a Planning Commitee Member to not Pre Judge, situations, but to evaluate all information supplied, coming to an informed decision, without bias. The facts are, that the Environment Agency to Not Dredge, are the Main Cause of the Excessive Volumes of Rainwater, lying on the Moors, these Moors are Not the Designated Flood- Plains. The Salt ,Middle moor, the Hamlets of Muchelney, Moorland, Athelney, etc, have been Sacrificed by the E, Agency policies, BurrowBridge, was designated as to be Sacrificed to save Bridgwater.......... Whilst the Agency spent £ Millions making Wetland Bird Santuries, etc, £17.3 On Expenses, new Cars, Trips etc....... It only needed to Spend £5 Million Dredging our River Parrett, as Bourne out by the Drainage Board Consortiums report, that on the 28th Feb 2013, after the 2012 Floods, reported to the Agency that dredging would take the 65% Capacity, up to the Post 1960 Capacity of 90-95% Thus increasing the Capacity volume of Water in the River Basin by 1/3 more, you do not need to be a Scientist to see the Sense in these figures........ Dredging alone is not the Answer, but, these Dutch Pumps must remain in place for the future, whatever the Cost of buying them..... David L Preece Blue- Owl Blue Owl
  • Score: -3

9:24pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Blue Owl says...

LevelsDweller wrote:
how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts.

Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts.

Vote tory, get your feet wet
Levels dweller your cynicism is not required, we Tories are Sorting out the Financial Mess the last Labour Government left as a Legacy for the Mismanagement of the Governments Finances............
..
Your Labour Peer Lord Chris Smith is responsible as Quango Chairman, on £100k a year, placed there by Blairs Government.

So, do not blame us Tories of wanting to have Austerity Measures, they are working, slowly and surely, or as Ex Chancellor Brown would say
" prudently Neccessar" No Pain No Gain !!!
You talk of Tory, off Shore Accounts, almost all MP's across the Political Divide, have come from Professional backgrounds, of Law, Accountancy, or other well paid Jobs, they get paid a Salary, commensurate with the financial
Free market jobs out there in industry.
Funny how you want to blame Fat Cat Tories, the excessive rain, and the High Tide surges, were known of by the E Agency, after last years 1/100 freak weather. 12 Months on, they still refused to Dredge our Rivers. E A
Are to held to account, when the immediate threat subsides.
David L Preece
Blu-Owl
[quote][p][bold]LevelsDweller[/bold] wrote: how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts. Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts. Vote tory, get your feet wet[/p][/quote]Levels dweller your cynicism is not required, we Tories are Sorting out the Financial Mess the last Labour Government left as a Legacy for the Mismanagement of the Governments Finances............ .. Your Labour Peer Lord Chris Smith is responsible as Quango Chairman, on £100k a year, placed there by Blairs Government. So, do not blame us Tories of wanting to have Austerity Measures, they are working, slowly and surely, or as Ex Chancellor Brown would say " prudently Neccessar" No Pain No Gain !!! You talk of Tory, off Shore Accounts, almost all MP's across the Political Divide, have come from Professional backgrounds, of Law, Accountancy, or other well paid Jobs, they get paid a Salary, commensurate with the financial Free market jobs out there in industry. Funny how you want to blame Fat Cat Tories, the excessive rain, and the High Tide surges, were known of by the E Agency, after last years 1/100 freak weather. 12 Months on, they still refused to Dredge our Rivers. E A Are to held to account, when the immediate threat subsides. David L Preece Blu-Owl Blue Owl
  • Score: -5

4:27pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Useacarpark.com says...

Blue Owl wrote:
LevelsDweller wrote:
how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts.

Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts.

Vote tory, get your feet wet
Levels dweller your cynicism is not required, we Tories are Sorting out the Financial Mess the last Labour Government left as a Legacy for the Mismanagement of the Governments Finances............

..
Your Labour Peer Lord Chris Smith is responsible as Quango Chairman, on £100k a year, placed there by Blairs Government.

So, do not blame us Tories of wanting to have Austerity Measures, they are working, slowly and surely, or as Ex Chancellor Brown would say
" prudently Neccessar" No Pain No Gain !!!
You talk of Tory, off Shore Accounts, almost all MP's across the Political Divide, have come from Professional backgrounds, of Law, Accountancy, or other well paid Jobs, they get paid a Salary, commensurate with the financial
Free market jobs out there in industry.
Funny how you want to blame Fat Cat Tories, the excessive rain, and the High Tide surges, were known of by the E Agency, after last years 1/100 freak weather. 12 Months on, they still refused to Dredge our Rivers. E A
Are to held to account, when the immediate threat subsides.
David L Preece
Blu-Owl
And who dictates how much the environment agency can spend.....idiot!
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LevelsDweller[/bold] wrote: how many of you complaining about lack of dredging voted tory? The party that wants 'austerity for ever' so that the rich can add a few more zeros to their offshore accounts. Floods are nothing new to the levels as anyone paying attention can tell you. The extent of this years floods are probably something to do with the large amounts of rain coupled to funding cuts. Vote tory, get your feet wet[/p][/quote]Levels dweller your cynicism is not required, we Tories are Sorting out the Financial Mess the last Labour Government left as a Legacy for the Mismanagement of the Governments Finances............ .. Your Labour Peer Lord Chris Smith is responsible as Quango Chairman, on £100k a year, placed there by Blairs Government. So, do not blame us Tories of wanting to have Austerity Measures, they are working, slowly and surely, or as Ex Chancellor Brown would say " prudently Neccessar" No Pain No Gain !!! You talk of Tory, off Shore Accounts, almost all MP's across the Political Divide, have come from Professional backgrounds, of Law, Accountancy, or other well paid Jobs, they get paid a Salary, commensurate with the financial Free market jobs out there in industry. Funny how you want to blame Fat Cat Tories, the excessive rain, and the High Tide surges, were known of by the E Agency, after last years 1/100 freak weather. 12 Months on, they still refused to Dredge our Rivers. E A Are to held to account, when the immediate threat subsides. David L Preece Blu-Owl[/p][/quote]And who dictates how much the environment agency can spend.....idiot! Useacarpark.com
  • Score: 4

3:31am Wed 19 Feb 14

markyboy123 says...

10.01 pm. Washing a swan.
10.01 pm. Washing a swan. markyboy123
  • Score: 1

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