SOMERSET STORM AND FLOODS: Severe flood warnings for River Tone (Wed, Feb 5)

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  • Homes left without power
  • Trees down
  • Flooding continues
  • Severe flood warnings for River Tone
  • Some schools closing early

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The A38 between Taunton and Wellington is now open, although police are advising drivers to go slowly as there is a lot of standing water in place.

All roads in and around Moorland have worsened in the bad weather with flooding continuing and more properties affected.

North Newton village centre is flooded from adjacent land. A sluice has been opened which has significantly reduced the level and extent of flooding in the village.

Maunsell Road in North Newton is impassable. This a local link to the A361 which will serve to create more local problems of access around the highway network in that area.

The A361 from Burrowbridge to East Lyng is closed due to flooding.

Ward Lane between Chedzoy and Stawell is closed due to flooding.

The A378 at Wrantage is shut due to flooding. The closure will be in place from Red Post on the A372

The A30 Crewkerne Road in Chard shut due to fallen tree on the road, and will remain closed overnight

Ruishton Village has been flooded since early the morning, with the village being closed since lunchtime.

New Road in Staple Fitzpaine is closed due to fallen trees.

The A378 Langport Road between Wrantage to Fivehead area is closed.

Bradford Bridge in Bradford on Tone is closed.

Only one road is available into Nynehead from the Langford Buville direction as all remaining roads to the village are impassable.

New Road and Moor Lane in North Curry is closed.

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7:16pm

Police have advised people in Northmoor, Saltmoor and Fordgate to evacuate.

A rest centre for those affected has been set up at the North Petherton Bowling Club.

The police flew over the villages earlier with a helicopter broadcasting the warning to the residents with the helicopter's skyshout system.

Another rest centre was set up in Westfield Church in Bridgwater, but it has since been stood down.

4:41pm

RSPB South West has also welcomed the PM's £10m funding announcement.

Mark Robins, from the charity, said: "This kick-starts the work of the Government’s recently announced 20-year action plan to give Somerset Levels a safe and sustainable future.

"The plan now needs to put nature at the very core of managing water in this precious farmed wetland environment.”

In response to the Prime Minister’s comments on dredging, Mr Robins added: “Critical watercourses, in good condition, are key. "This includes dredging in the right places and at the right scale.

"In this, there is absolutely no reason to see nature sacrificed and we are working with local people to make sure the Level’s wildlife-rich wetlands are fully built into the planned dredge. 

“To be clear, the RSPB fully supports, as part of a package of measures, the dredge proposed by the Royal Bath & West Society on the Rivers Tone and Parrett, but elsewhere, in the wrong place and in the wrong form, dredging could be an environmental disaster."

4:33pm

MORE on the news that Somerset is to get £10million extra funding to tackle flooding, as announced today by the Prime Minister.

David Cameron pledged the extra cash during Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons.

He told MPs the cash would go on “urgent work in Somerset, to deliver the action plan currently being prepared by local agencies”.

His announcement - part of a £100million nationwide package for essential flood repairs and maintenance next year - came just 24 hours after Prince Charles expressed his horror at the devastation on the Somerset Levels.

It follows an earlier promise by the Prime Minister that dredging would be carried out on the Rivers Parrett and Tone as soon as weather conditions permit - something Environment Secretary Owen Paterson confirmed in the Commons this week following a question from Taunton Deane MP Jeremy Browne.

Following yesterday's announcement of further aid for the area, Mr Browne said: “I am pleased that the pressure being put on the Government in the House of Commons has resulted in extra funding to combat flooding in Somerset.

“I will continue to insist on dredging and other flood alleviation measures to reduce the risk of flooding in future years.”
 

4:28pm

Bridgwater Mercury:

Vivary Park in Taunton. (Photo: Lord Parker Photography)

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Bridgwater Mercury:

The scene in Ruishton today. Photo: Geoff Hall

3:54pm

Bridgwater Mercury:

THE A39 at Keenthorne, near Nether Stowey (Photo: Jeff Searle). 

3:39pm

Bridgwater Mercury:

A motorist slowly makes their way through floodwater at Rumwell (Photo: Geoff Hall)

1:16pm

POLICE have advised people in more than 150 properties to leave their homes following this morning's severe weather warnings for the Fordgate and Northmoor area - and the second for the A361 from East Lyng to Burrowbridge.

A statement from Avon & Somerset Police said:

"At Fordgate and Northmoor there are more than 150 properties where people are being advised to leave their homes.

"Police officers and volunteers have knocked on doors or called on the phone to deliver the advice that they should leave immediately.

"A retaining wall at Baltmoor is in danger of overtopping, which would release an increased volume of flood water into the area.

"There are six properties in Saltmoor that we have been unable to contact because of inaccessibility caused by the floods."

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12:28pm

PRIME Minister David Cameron has announced £100 million towards national flood defences and maintenance over next year. 

12:24pm

DOUG Lowe took this photo of traffic on the A358 at Lower Henlade this morning.

Bridgwater Mercury:

11:27am

A NUMBER of schools in the area are to close early today following the bad weather:

They are as follows:

  • Lyngford Park Primary School - Will close at 1.15pm
  • North Newton Primary School and Ruishton Primary School - Parents being asked to collect children as soon as possible.
  • Selworthy Primary School - Will close at 12.30pm 
  • Thurlbear Primary School - Is reportedly in the process of closing. 

11:19am

AVON & Somerset Police are warning motorists not to travel unless the journey is "essential."

A statement said: "We are urging motorists only to make journeys if it is absolutely essential, due to bad weather which is sweeping through the area.

"High winds and driving rain are making driving conditions difficult across Somerset – particularly in the Taunton area where the A38 and A358 have been affected by fallen trees and other debris.


"Many roads in the area are impassable because of trees and branches, which have fallen due to the high winds.
Other roads also have surface water which is making driving conditions difficult as heavy rain sweeps through the whole of the Avon and Somerset Police force area.


"There are queues and congestion on many roads throughout the Somerset area and we are urging people to only make essential journeys.
Those who have to travel on the roads are being urged to plan their journey in advance, anticipate delays and also listen to news broadcasts and bulletins on local radio stations about closed roads or where there is severe traffic congestion.

"If you are travelling, avoid small isolated lanes and roads which go across low-lying land and are near to watercourses and drainage channels and prone to flooding.

"Motorists should not attempt to drive through floodwater where there can be many hidden threats, including pot holes, cambers and roadside ditches and watercourses. Also avoid parking near to roadside watercourses."

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11:06am

RIVER levels are high in Williton

Bridgwater Mercury:

10:45am

NORTH Curry this morning: 

Bridgwater Mercury:

Credit: Mandy Lidster-Griffiths (Facebook)

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10:26am

YOU can request sandbags by contacting Taunton Deane Council on 01823 356356.

10:16am

WE have received reports that the A38 between Taunton and Wellington is now closed. 

The area around Rumwell is particularly badly affected, more information to follow. 

10:12am

10:12am

THE Environment Agency have issued SEVERE flood warnings for A361 East Lyng to Burrowbridge - and Salt Moor & North Moor including Moorland Take - they are urging people to take immediate action. 

9:50am

THE Environment Agency are to issue a severe flood warning for the River Tone imminently. 

People are being asked to cooperate with police. 

9:45am

9:45am

A COMMUTER from Wiveliscombe say there is lots of water on the road at Norton Fitzwarren and also at Hillcommon.

Motorists are advised to drive carefully.

9:21am

DOUG Lowe, chairman of Ruishton Parish Council, says the road bewteen the village and Creech St Michael is flooded.

This evening's parish council meeting has been switched from Ruishton Village Hall to the church hall in the village.

Mr Lowe has also warned of lots of water on the road at Lower Henlade.

"It's stop start for traffic on the A358 both ways," said Mr Lowe.

 

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8:34am

Tomorrow's (Thursday) race meeting at Taunton has been abandoned due to a waterlogged course. 

23mm of rain fell overnight , with a further 12mm expected today. 

8:33am

Motorist Richard Cavill is stuck on the A358 at Henlade, travelling towards Taunton, and says he has moved five car lengths in 15 minutes.

8:33am

The Environment Agency have issued an amber warning for strong winds and rain across the South-West, including Somerset, this morning.

Winds of up to 70mph are to hit the county, with further disruptions to transport and power outages due to fallen trees expected.

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Up to 700 homes across Somerset are without power this morning after a stormy night of heavy rain and winds.

Police have reported several fallen trees down across roads in the county, including one on the southbound M5 near Wellington (now cleared).

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7:34am Wed 5 Feb 14

Useacarpark.com says...

I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport! Useacarpark.com

7:57am Wed 5 Feb 14

Samej1 says...

Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.
[quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh. Samej1

7:58am Wed 5 Feb 14

TauntonBloke29 says...

Welcome online Gazette! You are a little late to the party. Would have been good to gave something earlier and maybe someone on the ground with accurate reports, but understand you are under pressure to cut costs. Thankfully the Taunton Facebook page is full of good info.
Welcome online Gazette! You are a little late to the party. Would have been good to gave something earlier and maybe someone on the ground with accurate reports, but understand you are under pressure to cut costs. Thankfully the Taunton Facebook page is full of good info. TauntonBloke29

9:15am Wed 5 Feb 14

Blue Owl says...

Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
Usercarpark, you really do not know what you are commenting on !!!
Of course the problems we are facing, is due to the excessive Rain fall, that has fallen over the Last Month and still continuing into February. This rainfall has landed in and around Sedgemoor, finding its way down the Water Courses to the Somerset Levels. Where under normal Conditions, pre 2012/13 this water has be allowed to accumulate onto the Designated Flood Plains, however due to the excess this last 2 years, the River Tone and Brue, have Breached their Banks, the water has been allowed by the Environment Agency to inundate the Moors of Middle, Salt, BurrowBridge, Athelney, Muchelney, Langport, and the A361 again for over a Month.
Just to ensure that Parts of Taunton, the County Town does not Suffer Floods,
It seems to be OK for the Residents of Our Countryside to have their lives Devastated for 4-6 weeks ongoing Misery!!! It Is Not OK !!!!!!!!!?????
The Seperate issue, is the Mishandling of the Situation by the E Agency, now
For the 2nd year running, they as an Organisation ,are NOT FIT For Purpose,
The E Agency, needs to be Culled from the Top Downwards, starting with Lord Steve Smith (Lab Peer) who Takes a £100k a year for a 3 day Week as the Chairman of this Quango.. Also Robbie Williams the SWest Manager, who still spouts the Rethoric that Dredging will not be the Answer, Why Twenty years ago when the E Agency, took over from the Local Drainage Boards, has the Maintenance of our Rivers decreased, because of Misguided Fools, with their Computor Generated River, tide Modules, local knowledge, is worth A Thousand Experts from the E Agency, sack the lot of them from Middle Management Up to the Top !!!!!!! .......the Agency engineers on the ground have everyone's appreciation for the fantastic jobs they have done.
But, when you have the Bosses, stating that Dredging is not the answer, but spending £Millions 17.4 ££££££££ on Jollies, travel, Bird Wetlands, protecting Beetles, there surely is something Drastically Amiss, surely the residents need protecting First, not the Birds who fly away, at the first sign of rising water levels.
Bring the Responsibility, back to the Local Drainage Boards ,with the Farmers and Landowners, participation, as many of them are 3-4-5 Generation Farmers working the Land on the Levels, not to be config used with the Wet Lands, Flood Plains.......Which are Designated Area's
David L Preece
Blue-Owl
[quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]Usercarpark, you really do not know what you are commenting on !!! Of course the problems we are facing, is due to the excessive Rain fall, that has fallen over the Last Month and still continuing into February. This rainfall has landed in and around Sedgemoor, finding its way down the Water Courses to the Somerset Levels. Where under normal Conditions, pre 2012/13 this water has be allowed to accumulate onto the Designated Flood Plains, however due to the excess this last 2 years, the River Tone and Brue, have Breached their Banks, the water has been allowed by the Environment Agency to inundate the Moors of Middle, Salt, BurrowBridge, Athelney, Muchelney, Langport, and the A361 again for over a Month. Just to ensure that Parts of Taunton, the County Town does not Suffer Floods, It seems to be OK for the Residents of Our Countryside to have their lives Devastated for 4-6 weeks ongoing Misery!!! It Is Not OK !!!!!!!!!????? The Seperate issue, is the Mishandling of the Situation by the E Agency, now For the 2nd year running, they as an Organisation ,are NOT FIT For Purpose, The E Agency, needs to be Culled from the Top Downwards, starting with Lord Steve Smith (Lab Peer) who Takes a £100k a year for a 3 day Week as the Chairman of this Quango.. Also Robbie Williams the SWest Manager, who still spouts the Rethoric that Dredging will not be the Answer, Why Twenty years ago when the E Agency, took over from the Local Drainage Boards, has the Maintenance of our Rivers decreased, because of Misguided Fools, with their Computor Generated River, tide Modules, local knowledge, is worth A Thousand Experts from the E Agency, sack the lot of them from Middle Management Up to the Top !!!!!!! .......the Agency engineers on the ground have everyone's appreciation for the fantastic jobs they have done. But, when you have the Bosses, stating that Dredging is not the answer, but spending £Millions 17.4 ££££££££ on Jollies, travel, Bird Wetlands, protecting Beetles, there surely is something Drastically Amiss, surely the residents need protecting First, not the Birds who fly away, at the first sign of rising water levels. Bring the Responsibility, back to the Local Drainage Boards ,with the Farmers and Landowners, participation, as many of them are 3-4-5 Generation Farmers working the Land on the Levels, not to be config used with the Wet Lands, Flood Plains.......Which are Designated Area's David L Preece Blue-Owl Blue Owl

9:56am Wed 5 Feb 14

Useacarpark.com says...

Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.
I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.[/p][/quote]I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside Useacarpark.com

10:05am Wed 5 Feb 14

Slow down! says...

"Just to ensure that Parts of Taunton, the County Town does not Suffer Floods,
It seems to be OK for the Residents of Our Countryside to have their lives Devastated for 4-6 weeks ongoing Misery!!! It Is Not OK !!!!!!!!!?????"



So you would rather Taunton flooded?

I've said it before on another site, having been born and raised in Somerset I would never choose to live on the Somerset Levels as I now they flood or are liable, maybe the people who choose to live there should do their homework before moving to the area!

Yes I have some sympathy with the conditions that they have at present and the lack of help this rubbish government have offered, but it was their choice to live there.
"Just to ensure that Parts of Taunton, the County Town does not Suffer Floods, It seems to be OK for the Residents of Our Countryside to have their lives Devastated for 4-6 weeks ongoing Misery!!! It Is Not OK !!!!!!!!!?????" So you would rather Taunton flooded? I've said it before on another site, having been born and raised in Somerset I would never choose to live on the Somerset Levels as I now they flood or are liable, maybe the people who choose to live there should do their homework before moving to the area! Yes I have some sympathy with the conditions that they have at present and the lack of help this rubbish government have offered, but it was their choice to live there. Slow down!

10:12am Wed 5 Feb 14

Samej1 says...

Useacarpark.com wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.
I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside
"blitz spirit" isn't comparing this to a war, it's a description of the way people are rallying round those who are suffering, HTH.
Do you propose moving all people from all flood plains? What are the parameters you have in mind, 1 in 100yr possibility, 1 in 10yr?
Things aren't as simple as you think, leave the levels to flood and there will be a whole lotta other consequences you don't even want to think about....
[quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.[/p][/quote]I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside[/p][/quote]"blitz spirit" isn't comparing this to a war, it's a description of the way people are rallying round those who are suffering, HTH. Do you propose moving all people from all flood plains? What are the parameters you have in mind, 1 in 100yr possibility, 1 in 10yr? Things aren't as simple as you think, leave the levels to flood and there will be a whole lotta other consequences you don't even want to think about.... Samej1

10:24am Wed 5 Feb 14

Useacarpark.com says...

Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.
I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside
"blitz spirit" isn't comparing this to a war, it's a description of the way people are rallying round those who are suffering, HTH.
Do you propose moving all people from all flood plains? What are the parameters you have in mind, 1 in 100yr possibility, 1 in 10yr?
Things aren't as simple as you think, leave the levels to flood and there will be a whole lotta other consequences you don't even want to think about....
War like spirit though? Which the "blitz" relates to. My idea would be for the council to offer a compulsory purchase order to those that want to relocate, because let's be honest no one will want to buy there. Then those that want to stay will have to come up with a viable solution with the relevant agencies that will allow more areas to be designated flood plains and also raise the level of the road. I would prefer to see a one off cost rather than hoping dredging will solve the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.[/p][/quote]I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside[/p][/quote]"blitz spirit" isn't comparing this to a war, it's a description of the way people are rallying round those who are suffering, HTH. Do you propose moving all people from all flood plains? What are the parameters you have in mind, 1 in 100yr possibility, 1 in 10yr? Things aren't as simple as you think, leave the levels to flood and there will be a whole lotta other consequences you don't even want to think about....[/p][/quote]War like spirit though? Which the "blitz" relates to. My idea would be for the council to offer a compulsory purchase order to those that want to relocate, because let's be honest no one will want to buy there. Then those that want to stay will have to come up with a viable solution with the relevant agencies that will allow more areas to be designated flood plains and also raise the level of the road. I would prefer to see a one off cost rather than hoping dredging will solve the problem. Useacarpark.com

11:25am Wed 5 Feb 14

Samej1 says...

Useacarpark.com wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.
I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside
"blitz spirit" isn't comparing this to a war, it's a description of the way people are rallying round those who are suffering, HTH.
Do you propose moving all people from all flood plains? What are the parameters you have in mind, 1 in 100yr possibility, 1 in 10yr?
Things aren't as simple as you think, leave the levels to flood and there will be a whole lotta other consequences you don't even want to think about....
War like spirit though? Which the "blitz" relates to. My idea would be for the council to offer a compulsory purchase order to those that want to relocate, because let's be honest no one will want to buy there. Then those that want to stay will have to come up with a viable solution with the relevant agencies that will allow more areas to be designated flood plains and also raise the level of the road. I would prefer to see a one off cost rather than hoping dredging will solve the problem.
Great idea, drive over to Bathpool and offer this suggestion to the residents who've only just moved in....
[quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.[/p][/quote]I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside[/p][/quote]"blitz spirit" isn't comparing this to a war, it's a description of the way people are rallying round those who are suffering, HTH. Do you propose moving all people from all flood plains? What are the parameters you have in mind, 1 in 100yr possibility, 1 in 10yr? Things aren't as simple as you think, leave the levels to flood and there will be a whole lotta other consequences you don't even want to think about....[/p][/quote]War like spirit though? Which the "blitz" relates to. My idea would be for the council to offer a compulsory purchase order to those that want to relocate, because let's be honest no one will want to buy there. Then those that want to stay will have to come up with a viable solution with the relevant agencies that will allow more areas to be designated flood plains and also raise the level of the road. I would prefer to see a one off cost rather than hoping dredging will solve the problem.[/p][/quote]Great idea, drive over to Bathpool and offer this suggestion to the residents who've only just moved in.... Samej1

12:12pm Wed 5 Feb 14

wivey says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
Usercarpark, you really do not know what you are commenting on !!!
Of course the problems we are facing, is due to the excessive Rain fall, that has fallen over the Last Month and still continuing into February. This rainfall has landed in and around Sedgemoor, finding its way down the Water Courses to the Somerset Levels. Where under normal Conditions, pre 2012/13 this water has be allowed to accumulate onto the Designated Flood Plains, however due to the excess this last 2 years, the River Tone and Brue, have Breached their Banks, the water has been allowed by the Environment Agency to inundate the Moors of Middle, Salt, BurrowBridge, Athelney, Muchelney, Langport, and the A361 again for over a Month.
Just to ensure that Parts of Taunton, the County Town does not Suffer Floods,
It seems to be OK for the Residents of Our Countryside to have their lives Devastated for 4-6 weeks ongoing Misery!!! It Is Not OK !!!!!!!!!?????
The Seperate issue, is the Mishandling of the Situation by the E Agency, now
For the 2nd year running, they as an Organisation ,are NOT FIT For Purpose,
The E Agency, needs to be Culled from the Top Downwards, starting with Lord Steve Smith (Lab Peer) who Takes a £100k a year for a 3 day Week as the Chairman of this Quango.. Also Robbie Williams the SWest Manager, who still spouts the Rethoric that Dredging will not be the Answer, Why Twenty years ago when the E Agency, took over from the Local Drainage Boards, has the Maintenance of our Rivers decreased, because of Misguided Fools, with their Computor Generated River, tide Modules, local knowledge, is worth A Thousand Experts from the E Agency, sack the lot of them from Middle Management Up to the Top !!!!!!! .......the Agency engineers on the ground have everyone's appreciation for the fantastic jobs they have done.
But, when you have the Bosses, stating that Dredging is not the answer, but spending £Millions 17.4 ££££££££ on Jollies, travel, Bird Wetlands, protecting Beetles, there surely is something Drastically Amiss, surely the residents need protecting First, not the Birds who fly away, at the first sign of rising water levels.
Bring the Responsibility, back to the Local Drainage Boards ,with the Farmers and Landowners, participation, as many of them are 3-4-5 Generation Farmers working the Land on the Levels, not to be config used with the Wet Lands, Flood Plains.......Which are Designated Area's
David L Preece
Blue-Owl
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Environment Agency only responsible for the Parret and the Tone while the Drainage Boards http://www.somersetd
rainageboards.gov.uk
/operations/maintena
nce/ are still responsible for the rhines and other water courses? Before 1996, when the government of the time setup the Environment Agency, I think it was the National Rivers Authority (not the Drainage Board) who had responsibility for the Tone and Parret, and prior to that it was Wessex Water (before it was privatised in 1989). So it wouldn't so much be 'bringing responsibility back' to the Drainage Boards, but giving them new responsibility, and that would only make sense if it covered the entire catchment area from Exmoor to the Mendips. Not likely me thinks.

When it comes to the current role of the EA, don't they just implement Government policy - in which case the target should surely be DEFRA (who make the policy), not the EA?
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]Usercarpark, you really do not know what you are commenting on !!! Of course the problems we are facing, is due to the excessive Rain fall, that has fallen over the Last Month and still continuing into February. This rainfall has landed in and around Sedgemoor, finding its way down the Water Courses to the Somerset Levels. Where under normal Conditions, pre 2012/13 this water has be allowed to accumulate onto the Designated Flood Plains, however due to the excess this last 2 years, the River Tone and Brue, have Breached their Banks, the water has been allowed by the Environment Agency to inundate the Moors of Middle, Salt, BurrowBridge, Athelney, Muchelney, Langport, and the A361 again for over a Month. Just to ensure that Parts of Taunton, the County Town does not Suffer Floods, It seems to be OK for the Residents of Our Countryside to have their lives Devastated for 4-6 weeks ongoing Misery!!! It Is Not OK !!!!!!!!!????? The Seperate issue, is the Mishandling of the Situation by the E Agency, now For the 2nd year running, they as an Organisation ,are NOT FIT For Purpose, The E Agency, needs to be Culled from the Top Downwards, starting with Lord Steve Smith (Lab Peer) who Takes a £100k a year for a 3 day Week as the Chairman of this Quango.. Also Robbie Williams the SWest Manager, who still spouts the Rethoric that Dredging will not be the Answer, Why Twenty years ago when the E Agency, took over from the Local Drainage Boards, has the Maintenance of our Rivers decreased, because of Misguided Fools, with their Computor Generated River, tide Modules, local knowledge, is worth A Thousand Experts from the E Agency, sack the lot of them from Middle Management Up to the Top !!!!!!! .......the Agency engineers on the ground have everyone's appreciation for the fantastic jobs they have done. But, when you have the Bosses, stating that Dredging is not the answer, but spending £Millions 17.4 ££££££££ on Jollies, travel, Bird Wetlands, protecting Beetles, there surely is something Drastically Amiss, surely the residents need protecting First, not the Birds who fly away, at the first sign of rising water levels. Bring the Responsibility, back to the Local Drainage Boards ,with the Farmers and Landowners, participation, as many of them are 3-4-5 Generation Farmers working the Land on the Levels, not to be config used with the Wet Lands, Flood Plains.......Which are Designated Area's David L Preece Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Environment Agency only responsible for the Parret and the Tone while the Drainage Boards http://www.somersetd rainageboards.gov.uk /operations/maintena nce/ are still responsible for the rhines and other water courses? Before 1996, when the government of the time setup the Environment Agency, I think it was the National Rivers Authority (not the Drainage Board) who had responsibility for the Tone and Parret, and prior to that it was Wessex Water (before it was privatised in 1989). So it wouldn't so much be 'bringing responsibility back' to the Drainage Boards, but giving them new responsibility, and that would only make sense if it covered the entire catchment area from Exmoor to the Mendips. Not likely me thinks. When it comes to the current role of the EA, don't they just implement Government policy - in which case the target should surely be DEFRA (who make the policy), not the EA? wivey

12:34pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Gem64 says...

Please can I use this as an opportunity to say a big thank you to both the Environment Agency and Taunton Deane Borough Council who have both responded very quickly to the fact that our properties were at immediate risk of flooding due to a culvert grill being blocked with debris. Due to their immediate action, a large amount of properites have been saved from the misery experienced by others. Thank you to the two men who unblocked the grill and thank you to the two men from Taunton Deane who supplied sandbags within 2 hours of us requesting them. They are doing their very best at a very busy time, so please dont lose sight of the good work that is being done.
Please can I use this as an opportunity to say a big thank you to both the Environment Agency and Taunton Deane Borough Council who have both responded very quickly to the fact that our properties were at immediate risk of flooding due to a culvert grill being blocked with debris. Due to their immediate action, a large amount of properites have been saved from the misery experienced by others. Thank you to the two men who unblocked the grill and thank you to the two men from Taunton Deane who supplied sandbags within 2 hours of us requesting them. They are doing their very best at a very busy time, so please dont lose sight of the good work that is being done. Gem64

12:58pm Wed 5 Feb 14

FreeSpeech? says...

Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK. FreeSpeech?

1:06pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Useacarpark.com says...

Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.
I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside
"blitz spirit" isn't comparing this to a war, it's a description of the way people are rallying round those who are suffering, HTH.
Do you propose moving all people from all flood plains? What are the parameters you have in mind, 1 in 100yr possibility, 1 in 10yr?
Things aren't as simple as you think, leave the levels to flood and there will be a whole lotta other consequences you don't even want to think about....
War like spirit though? Which the "blitz" relates to. My idea would be for the council to offer a compulsory purchase order to those that want to relocate, because let's be honest no one will want to buy there. Then those that want to stay will have to come up with a viable solution with the relevant agencies that will allow more areas to be designated flood plains and also raise the level of the road. I would prefer to see a one off cost rather than hoping dredging will solve the problem.
Great idea, drive over to Bathpool and offer this suggestion to the residents who've only just moved in....
Have the bathpool properties been underwater for a month? No I didn't think so....
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]I guess it's easy to write this is in a dry, warm and damage-free abode isn't it - the blitz spirit was alive and well on the levels last night with people risking flood water travelling from far afield to help with sand bags... I guess you weren't one of them, eh.[/p][/quote]I suppose world war and flooding is comparable......so people ignored the road closed signs and risked their own lives to take out sand bags to an area of flooding the size of Bristol? Sounds about as stupid as buying a house on on flood plain! Getting bored of all this now, it's flooded for decades even with dredging, so it's about time a decision was made to stop ploughing tax payers money into this area and accept the inevitable. A house is just a house, it's better to have a warm dry house all year round than have a constant risk of flooding just to have some nice views of the countryside[/p][/quote]"blitz spirit" isn't comparing this to a war, it's a description of the way people are rallying round those who are suffering, HTH. Do you propose moving all people from all flood plains? What are the parameters you have in mind, 1 in 100yr possibility, 1 in 10yr? Things aren't as simple as you think, leave the levels to flood and there will be a whole lotta other consequences you don't even want to think about....[/p][/quote]War like spirit though? Which the "blitz" relates to. My idea would be for the council to offer a compulsory purchase order to those that want to relocate, because let's be honest no one will want to buy there. Then those that want to stay will have to come up with a viable solution with the relevant agencies that will allow more areas to be designated flood plains and also raise the level of the road. I would prefer to see a one off cost rather than hoping dredging will solve the problem.[/p][/quote]Great idea, drive over to Bathpool and offer this suggestion to the residents who've only just moved in....[/p][/quote]Have the bathpool properties been underwater for a month? No I didn't think so.... Useacarpark.com

1:47pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Slow down! says...

FreeSpeech? wrote:
Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
So true.

If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two.

Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else!
[quote][p][bold]FreeSpeech?[/bold] wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.[/p][/quote]So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else! Slow down!

2:11pm Wed 5 Feb 14

FreeSpeech? says...

Unbelievable, yesterday whilst driving I heard that £4m was given to getting poor people to vote, better spent on flood prevention. Councils all so plan to shut roads due to lack of funding all cross the UK.
About time they repaired the pothole properly instead of the same hole numerous times!
Unbelievable, yesterday whilst driving I heard that £4m was given to getting poor people to vote, better spent on flood prevention. Councils all so plan to shut roads due to lack of funding all cross the UK. About time they repaired the pothole properly instead of the same hole numerous times! FreeSpeech?

2:15pm Wed 5 Feb 14

wivey says...

Slow down! wrote:
FreeSpeech? wrote:
Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
So true.

If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two.

Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else!
But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreeSpeech?[/bold] wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.[/p][/quote]So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else![/p][/quote]But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry. wivey

2:22pm Wed 5 Feb 14

HipposRule says...

Blue Owl wrote:
Useacarpark.com wrote:
I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport!
Usercarpark, you really do not know what you are commenting on !!!
Of course the problems we are facing, is due to the excessive Rain fall, that has fallen over the Last Month and still continuing into February. This rainfall has landed in and around Sedgemoor, finding its way down the Water Courses to the Somerset Levels. Where under normal Conditions, pre 2012/13 this water has be allowed to accumulate onto the Designated Flood Plains, however due to the excess this last 2 years, the River Tone and Brue, have Breached their Banks, the water has been allowed by the Environment Agency to inundate the Moors of Middle, Salt, BurrowBridge, Athelney, Muchelney, Langport, and the A361 again for over a Month.
Just to ensure that Parts of Taunton, the County Town does not Suffer Floods,
It seems to be OK for the Residents of Our Countryside to have their lives Devastated for 4-6 weeks ongoing Misery!!! It Is Not OK !!!!!!!!!?????
The Seperate issue, is the Mishandling of the Situation by the E Agency, now
For the 2nd year running, they as an Organisation ,are NOT FIT For Purpose,
The E Agency, needs to be Culled from the Top Downwards, starting with Lord Steve Smith (Lab Peer) who Takes a £100k a year for a 3 day Week as the Chairman of this Quango.. Also Robbie Williams the SWest Manager, who still spouts the Rethoric that Dredging will not be the Answer, Why Twenty years ago when the E Agency, took over from the Local Drainage Boards, has the Maintenance of our Rivers decreased, because of Misguided Fools, with their Computor Generated River, tide Modules, local knowledge, is worth A Thousand Experts from the E Agency, sack the lot of them from Middle Management Up to the Top !!!!!!! .......the Agency engineers on the ground have everyone's appreciation for the fantastic jobs they have done.
But, when you have the Bosses, stating that Dredging is not the answer, but spending £Millions 17.4 ££££££££ on Jollies, travel, Bird Wetlands, protecting Beetles, there surely is something Drastically Amiss, surely the residents need protecting First, not the Birds who fly away, at the first sign of rising water levels.
Bring the Responsibility, back to the Local Drainage Boards ,with the Farmers and Landowners, participation, as many of them are 3-4-5 Generation Farmers working the Land on the Levels, not to be config used with the Wet Lands, Flood Plains.......Which are Designated Area's
David L Preece
Blue-Owl
For Christ's sake, learn when to use capital letters as the first letter of a word. I gave up on your rant because of that, other than to see the spelling mistakes. As it intrigued me so much I re-read whilst writing this comment. Strangely you spatter capitalisation but spell Somerset with a small initial S. Punctuation and grammar - please find an Adult Learning Course.
[quote][p][bold]Blue Owl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Useacarpark.com[/bold] wrote: I would just like to add that this flooding has nothing to do with extreme levels of rainfall, but because the Environment Agency haven't dredged all rivers and streams in somerset........Now I demand everyone pay more tax, charities give me money and the council provide me with free boat transport![/p][/quote]Usercarpark, you really do not know what you are commenting on !!! Of course the problems we are facing, is due to the excessive Rain fall, that has fallen over the Last Month and still continuing into February. This rainfall has landed in and around Sedgemoor, finding its way down the Water Courses to the Somerset Levels. Where under normal Conditions, pre 2012/13 this water has be allowed to accumulate onto the Designated Flood Plains, however due to the excess this last 2 years, the River Tone and Brue, have Breached their Banks, the water has been allowed by the Environment Agency to inundate the Moors of Middle, Salt, BurrowBridge, Athelney, Muchelney, Langport, and the A361 again for over a Month. Just to ensure that Parts of Taunton, the County Town does not Suffer Floods, It seems to be OK for the Residents of Our Countryside to have their lives Devastated for 4-6 weeks ongoing Misery!!! It Is Not OK !!!!!!!!!????? The Seperate issue, is the Mishandling of the Situation by the E Agency, now For the 2nd year running, they as an Organisation ,are NOT FIT For Purpose, The E Agency, needs to be Culled from the Top Downwards, starting with Lord Steve Smith (Lab Peer) who Takes a £100k a year for a 3 day Week as the Chairman of this Quango.. Also Robbie Williams the SWest Manager, who still spouts the Rethoric that Dredging will not be the Answer, Why Twenty years ago when the E Agency, took over from the Local Drainage Boards, has the Maintenance of our Rivers decreased, because of Misguided Fools, with their Computor Generated River, tide Modules, local knowledge, is worth A Thousand Experts from the E Agency, sack the lot of them from Middle Management Up to the Top !!!!!!! .......the Agency engineers on the ground have everyone's appreciation for the fantastic jobs they have done. But, when you have the Bosses, stating that Dredging is not the answer, but spending £Millions 17.4 ££££££££ on Jollies, travel, Bird Wetlands, protecting Beetles, there surely is something Drastically Amiss, surely the residents need protecting First, not the Birds who fly away, at the first sign of rising water levels. Bring the Responsibility, back to the Local Drainage Boards ,with the Farmers and Landowners, participation, as many of them are 3-4-5 Generation Farmers working the Land on the Levels, not to be config used with the Wet Lands, Flood Plains.......Which are Designated Area's David L Preece Blue-Owl[/p][/quote]For Christ's sake, learn when to use capital letters as the first letter of a word. I gave up on your rant because of that, other than to see the spelling mistakes. As it intrigued me so much I re-read whilst writing this comment. Strangely you spatter capitalisation but spell Somerset with a small initial S. Punctuation and grammar - please find an Adult Learning Course. HipposRule

2:31pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Samej1 says...

wivey wrote:
Slow down! wrote:
FreeSpeech? wrote:
Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
So true.

If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two.

Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else!
But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.
Not strictly true - if the rivers had more capacity the pumping would be effective earlier, shortening and lessening the flooding impact (oddly enough, just like it used to be before the maintenance stopped)
[quote][p][bold]wivey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreeSpeech?[/bold] wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.[/p][/quote]So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else![/p][/quote]But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.[/p][/quote]Not strictly true - if the rivers had more capacity the pumping would be effective earlier, shortening and lessening the flooding impact (oddly enough, just like it used to be before the maintenance stopped) Samej1

2:43pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Slow down! says...

wivey wrote:
Slow down! wrote:
FreeSpeech? wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else!
But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.
But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple!
Yes there will still be some flooding in some parts as its a well known fact to people who have lived here for a long time that the Levels are meant to flood so that towns like Taunton and Bridgewater don't.

I'm fed up of reading about people who have only lived here a short time moaning about the Levels flooding, do your homework before you buy and move from London!
[quote][p][bold]wivey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreeSpeech?[/bold] wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.[/p][/quote]So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else![/p][/quote]But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.[/p][/quote]But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple! Yes there will still be some flooding in some parts as its a well known fact to people who have lived here for a long time that the Levels are meant to flood so that towns like Taunton and Bridgewater don't. I'm fed up of reading about people who have only lived here a short time moaning about the Levels flooding, do your homework before you buy and move from London! Slow down!

2:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

wivey says...

Samej1 wrote:
wivey wrote:
Slow down! wrote:
FreeSpeech? wrote:
Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
So true.

If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two.

Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else!
But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.
Not strictly true - if the rivers had more capacity the pumping would be effective earlier, shortening and lessening the flooding impact (oddly enough, just like it used to be before the maintenance stopped)
Point taken. Although hasn't the sheer volume of water been so great that dredging would only have impacted on the margins (both geographically and in the time the flooding has lasted i.e. a smaller area for less time, but badly flooded nonetheless)?
[quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wivey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreeSpeech?[/bold] wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.[/p][/quote]So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else![/p][/quote]But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.[/p][/quote]Not strictly true - if the rivers had more capacity the pumping would be effective earlier, shortening and lessening the flooding impact (oddly enough, just like it used to be before the maintenance stopped)[/p][/quote]Point taken. Although hasn't the sheer volume of water been so great that dredging would only have impacted on the margins (both geographically and in the time the flooding has lasted i.e. a smaller area for less time, but badly flooded nonetheless)? wivey

3:24pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Samej1 says...

wivey wrote:
Samej1 wrote:
wivey wrote:
Slow down! wrote:
FreeSpeech? wrote:
Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
So true.

If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two.

Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else!
But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.
Not strictly true - if the rivers had more capacity the pumping would be effective earlier, shortening and lessening the flooding impact (oddly enough, just like it used to be before the maintenance stopped)
Point taken. Although hasn't the sheer volume of water been so great that dredging would only have impacted on the margins (both geographically and in the time the flooding has lasted i.e. a smaller area for less time, but badly flooded nonetheless)?
It's a moot point that I guess only hydrographic engineers can answer - without researching historic rainfall data and corresponding flooding reports I can't really make an informed comment - but looking at anecdotal evidence from generational farmers etc. personally I feel dredging is 'part' of the answer, vital but we also need to look at controlling the whole river(s) catchment to slow the movement from hills, towns and fields into the levels.
[quote][p][bold]wivey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Samej1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wivey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreeSpeech?[/bold] wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.[/p][/quote]So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else![/p][/quote]But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.[/p][/quote]Not strictly true - if the rivers had more capacity the pumping would be effective earlier, shortening and lessening the flooding impact (oddly enough, just like it used to be before the maintenance stopped)[/p][/quote]Point taken. Although hasn't the sheer volume of water been so great that dredging would only have impacted on the margins (both geographically and in the time the flooding has lasted i.e. a smaller area for less time, but badly flooded nonetheless)?[/p][/quote]It's a moot point that I guess only hydrographic engineers can answer - without researching historic rainfall data and corresponding flooding reports I can't really make an informed comment - but looking at anecdotal evidence from generational farmers etc. personally I feel dredging is 'part' of the answer, vital but we also need to look at controlling the whole river(s) catchment to slow the movement from hills, towns and fields into the levels. Samej1

3:59pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Anonone says...

It's been written before but if you dig a bigger hole when the tide rises, as in the Parret, the hole will fill up again - pushing the water back into the land again.The Parret and the river network is not a solid sided bucket!
It's been written before but if you dig a bigger hole when the tide rises, as in the Parret, the hole will fill up again - pushing the water back into the land again.The Parret and the river network is not a solid sided bucket! Anonone

6:35pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Samej1 says...

A footnote - having just watched scenes where a helicopter hovers over peoples homes and tells them to evacuate now due to imminent danger, anyone callous enough to call people who live there 'stupid' or 'should have known' etc. needs to hand in their membership badge to compassionate society right now, you don't deserve it.
A footnote - having just watched scenes where a helicopter hovers over peoples homes and tells them to evacuate now due to imminent danger, anyone callous enough to call people who live there 'stupid' or 'should have known' etc. needs to hand in their membership badge to compassionate society right now, you don't deserve it. Samej1

11:11pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Jamesey says...

Slow down! wrote:
wivey wrote:
Slow down! wrote:
FreeSpeech? wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else!
But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.
But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple!
Yes there will still be some flooding in some parts as its a well known fact to people who have lived here for a long time that the Levels are meant to flood so that towns like Taunton and Bridgewater don't.

I'm fed up of reading about people who have only lived here a short time moaning about the Levels flooding, do your homework before you buy and move from London!
Quote from Slow Down: "But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple!"

It's actually very far from simple. Unlike many posters on here, I have some understanding of fluid dynamics and hydrology. Dredging alone will do very little to alleviate the type of flooding we are currently experiencing. IMHO upstream storm water attenuation would be the most effective option.
[quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wivey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreeSpeech?[/bold] wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.[/p][/quote]So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else![/p][/quote]But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.[/p][/quote]But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple! Yes there will still be some flooding in some parts as its a well known fact to people who have lived here for a long time that the Levels are meant to flood so that towns like Taunton and Bridgewater don't. I'm fed up of reading about people who have only lived here a short time moaning about the Levels flooding, do your homework before you buy and move from London![/p][/quote]Quote from Slow Down: "But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple!" It's actually very far from simple. Unlike many posters on here, I have some understanding of fluid dynamics and hydrology. Dredging alone will do very little to alleviate the type of flooding we are currently experiencing. IMHO upstream storm water attenuation would be the most effective option. Jamesey

3:01pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Useacarpark.com says...

Jamesey wrote:
Slow down! wrote:
wivey wrote:
Slow down! wrote:
FreeSpeech? wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.
So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else!
But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.
But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple!
Yes there will still be some flooding in some parts as its a well known fact to people who have lived here for a long time that the Levels are meant to flood so that towns like Taunton and Bridgewater don't.

I'm fed up of reading about people who have only lived here a short time moaning about the Levels flooding, do your homework before you buy and move from London!
Quote from Slow Down: "But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple!"

It's actually very far from simple. Unlike many posters on here, I have some understanding of fluid dynamics and hydrology. Dredging alone will do very little to alleviate the type of flooding we are currently experiencing. IMHO upstream storm water attenuation would be the most effective option.
And how many "water tanks" will you need to stop an area the size of bristol from flooding?
[quote][p][bold]Jamesey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wivey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slow down![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreeSpeech?[/bold] wrote: Those that get upset about dredging should understand that if you dredge the river you increase the depth thus increasing the volume at low tide you then increase the drainage . The RSPB has too much sway in my opinion in the UK.[/p][/quote]So true. If I have a one Gallon bucket I can only carry one Gallon, if I have a two Gallon bucket I can carry two. Its as simple as that, so all the people saying dreading won't work then please suggest something else![/p][/quote]But one gallon bucket or two gallon, it doesn't make much difference if you've got 1000 gallons of water to shift. Even when dredged the rivers have only got so much capacity and the amount of water coming off the catchment area is, I suspect, way in excess of what they can carry.[/p][/quote]But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple! Yes there will still be some flooding in some parts as its a well known fact to people who have lived here for a long time that the Levels are meant to flood so that towns like Taunton and Bridgewater don't. I'm fed up of reading about people who have only lived here a short time moaning about the Levels flooding, do your homework before you buy and move from London![/p][/quote]Quote from Slow Down: "But its simple, if you double the depth of the river for several miles by dredging (like they used to do) then it can take twice as much if not more the volume it currently does, it really is that simple!" It's actually very far from simple. Unlike many posters on here, I have some understanding of fluid dynamics and hydrology. Dredging alone will do very little to alleviate the type of flooding we are currently experiencing. IMHO upstream storm water attenuation would be the most effective option.[/p][/quote]And how many "water tanks" will you need to stop an area the size of bristol from flooding? Useacarpark.com

8:23pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Jamesey says...

"Tanks" aren't necessarily required. Areas can be designed to become flood attenuation zones, such as Longrun Meadow in Taunton. Their extent (and cost) depends on what size storm needs to be protected against. Defences could be sized for a storm that has a chance of occurring once in 100 years, but that storm could still happen next year. Also, our changing climate appears to be causing extreme weather events to happen more frequently.

My point is that flood defences need to be based on science and statistical analysis, not rhetoric from politicians or personal opinions.
"Tanks" aren't necessarily required. Areas can be designed to become flood attenuation zones, such as Longrun Meadow in Taunton. Their extent (and cost) depends on what size storm needs to be protected against. Defences could be sized for a storm that has a chance of occurring once in 100 years, but that storm could still happen next year. Also, our changing climate appears to be causing extreme weather events to happen more frequently. My point is that flood defences need to be based on science and statistical analysis, not rhetoric from politicians or personal opinions. Jamesey

11:17am Fri 7 Feb 14

Slow down! says...

There are lots of options that should have been implemented once the decision to stop dredging was made yet nothing was done, now we are seeing the consequences of that decision many years later.

I find it amazing that the government seems to struggle to raise cash to help the people affected in their own country yet can send millions and millions of aid at a drop of a hat to countries that want to destroy themselves or start space programmes!

Too little too late.
There are lots of options that should have been implemented once the decision to stop dredging was made yet nothing was done, now we are seeing the consequences of that decision many years later. I find it amazing that the government seems to struggle to raise cash to help the people affected in their own country yet can send millions and millions of aid at a drop of a hat to countries that want to destroy themselves or start space programmes! Too little too late. Slow down!

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